Curse

Cymboric Treewalker · May 31, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

10. No we don't need to buy your l33t ub3r gear you got on your UW solo run.

9. Stop yelling at us to all stay in a little ball we need to stop the enemies from coming and killing you.

8. If a monster breaks through the wall of people protecting you stop crying like a baby and kill it.

7. If we use rebirth to get you back up in a battle its beacuse it was the only way to avoid a wipe.

6. Don't get all bent out of shape when a "soft" class goes in with the warriors; some of them have skills that require them to be in the mix.

5. Learn to manage your energy well and don't slow the group down. Warriors can do nothing to save their adrenaline but you can get a clue and manage your energy.

4. If you need another monk in the group then don't bother joining ours. We are good enough to make your job easy enough. As a side note please remember that in some cases Ritualists are better than you are at keeping the group going.

3. Don't get mad about us not inviting you all the time; there are times when Monks are just dead weight.

2. If you are going out with a group you better have rebirth and not a rez sig.

1. Don't beg for compliments if you are a half-decent monk we will let you know.

Celtor Dunough

Hunter Sharparrow · May 31, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

LOL that's awsome. Agree with it all. Alot of monks think everyone owes them. Sometimes the monk henchies are better.

EF2NYD · May 31, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

This is just a spoof/joke of the other thread, yes?

Cymboric Treewalker · May 31, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by EF2NYD

This is just a spoof/joke of the other thread, yes?

spoof - no.
joke - no.

This is a retort to the arrogance of the other thread.

There are good PUGs and there are bad PUGs. I have had just as many bad monks kill a pug as most other professions... with the exception of W/Mo and recently A/Mo.

So this thread is just a posting on what PUGs dislike about bad PUG Monks.

[FnG] Lazz · May 31, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Perhaps you are taking this all a little too seriously? I read through the other thread and the top 10 points, to me, seemed to be more out of humour. These comments seemed to be out of anger.

lyra_song · May 31, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Ive met some bad monks...

10 Reasons i hate BAD monks.

10: They act like they can tell you who to kick out of the group, even your guildmates.

9: They spam the monster name currently harrasing them, instead of kiting and drawing its aggro towards the tank.

8: They demand a BiP necro.

7: They refuse to play with Assassins (Even good ones)

6: They refuse to play with Wamos (Even good ones)

5: They dont consider blindness an immediate concern.

4: They die. A lot.

3: They demand compensation for healing.

2: They say they are healer and end up being a smiter (Hey when i smite, ill tell you i smite)

1: They say they are healer and when you pay the Grenth's Voice, they start 55ing and get you killed.

TomD22 · May 31, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

And finally...healing breeze has a time and a place when it can be effective. Just about. Maybe. But spamming it on everyone who looks like they're taking damage is why you have no damn energy, ever! Don't whinge to the group about your energy without considering how to manage it yourself first!

(i do play pve monk among other things, but a lot of GvG means i have a preference for boon prot over normal heal monk...heal spells just feel so slooow after you've gotten used to 1/4 second casts -a little off topic-)

dansamy · May 31, 2006, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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8. If a monster breaks through the wall of people protecting you stop crying like a baby and kill it.

And exactly how do you propose I do that? Out-heal him? I packed a bar full of 8 skills focused on keeping a group alive and killing the enemies. Oh, SNAP! Next time, I'll bring smiting and not tell you that I am not a healing monk, k?

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5: They dont consider blindness an immediate concern.

Don't stand in dust trap, mmmkay? You aren't still blind. You are blind again because you didn't move.

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heal spells just feel so slooow after you've gotten used to 1/4 second casts -a little off topic

QFT.

EF2NYD · May 31, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Cymboric Treewalker

10. No we don't need to buy your l33t ub3r gear you got on your UW solo run.

9. Stop yelling at us to all stay in a little ball we need to stop the enemies from coming and killing you.

8. If a monster breaks through the wall of people protecting you stop crying like a baby and kill it.

7. If we use rebirth to get you back up in a battle its beacuse it was the only way to avoid a wipe.

6. Don't get all bent out of shape when a "soft" class goes in with the warriors; some of them have skills that require them to be in the mix.

5. Learn to manage your energy well and don't slow the group down. Warriors can do nothing to save their adrenaline but you can get a clue and manage your energy.

4. If you need another monk in the group then don't bother joining ours. We are good enough to make your job easy enough. As a side note please remember that in some cases Ritualists are better than you are at keeping the group going.

3. Don't get mad about us not inviting you all the time; there are times when Monks are just dead weight.

2. If you are going out with a group you better have rebirth and not a rez sig.

1. Don't beg for compliments if you are a half-decent monk we will let you know.

Celtor Dunough

Having never read the other thread, here are my comments

10. Never really seen a monk trying to sell anything in a pug, it's usually the clueless wammo.

9. Does this refer to pvp or pve? If pve, I've never came across a situation where you had to ball up, or anyone even mentioning it.

8. A heal or prot monk can't do much to "kill it". Good monks know how to kite anyhow.

7. Rebirth in battle shouldn't really be used if you have less than 12 prot. Rez sig is acceptable though. If the monk goes down, the living with rebirth should back out of aggro and start the rez. Usually if a monk ever goes down, rebirthing in battle will only raise their dp.

6. Most of the time, entirely unnecessary, especially in high level areas in pve. If the player in question is kiting effectively or has defensive skills, there shouldn't be any fuss.

5. Some monk builds rely on energy regen skills, but I agree. A monk who needs the party to wait for regen isn't effectively managing their energy.

4. Two monks should be efficient for most pve. A third monk, like a third of any class (do you really need 3 nukers?), means less work for the rest.

3. Don't really see why a monk would get mad (unless they're chest farming or something). They can always join another group.

2. Sometimes a monk should never bring any rez. In unfamiliar high level territory though, rebirth is good, and if the monk doesn't carry it, the players who do should know when to back out of a fight.

1. Never seen this happen either.

lyra_song · May 31, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by dansamy

Don't stand in dust trap, mmmkay? You aren't still blind. You are blind again because you didn't move.

Hee hee hee. I was refering to specific times (Avicara mesmers with ineptitude and Forgotten ranger armor guys) when ive been blinded and the monk has it last on his priority list. When i monk, the two things a warrior cannot have is Weakness or Blindness. It makes them utterly useless. Deep wound is kinda ok, bleeding is easy, poison is easy, disease is easy.

Ive played have a W/Mo and a Mo/W, ive felt both sides of both these threads.

lactatemike · May 31, 2006, 04:18 PM // 16:18

So in all of this thread it seems like everyone feels that a W/Mo is ALWAYS retarded.
I don't get it, I mean, I am a good healing and boon/prot monk, AND I am a good w/mo...

So how many people who monk and say shit like "clueless wammo's" have actually played a W/anything?

Zackile Greenbirth · May 31, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

i would have to AGRRE with BOTH threads

Being a monk and ofcourse a ele/necro/rit/ass/ranger i find both threads have very good points

If i'm monk...i do want people not to run off
a/mo and w/mo are not hard to heal..you just need to know what to do
yes run if your being hit....lose aggro.
etc etc etc etc

If not monk, no i don't need 2 w/mo instead of a/mo and w/mo
you will be told good healing....if you were good
don't TELL me what to do...ask me!
don't ask for a bip then keep pinging your energy ..... twice is enough!
if you say...no bip needed...don't complain about your energy...ask for recharge!

thank you

~Zack~

Viruzzz · May 31, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by lactatemike

So in all of this thread it seems like everyone feels that a W/Mo is ALWAYS retarded.
I don't get it, I mean, I am a good healing and boon/prot monk, AND I am a good w/mo...

So how many people who monk and say shit like "clueless wammo's" have actually played a W/anything?

most of them.
i think everyone has played a warrior at some point

Retribution X · May 31, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

YES! People who actually understand my monk!

I agree to yall wholeheartedly.

Jas D · May 31, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Ok.. lets break it down, shall we?

The other thread dealt with why monks hate PUG's. Which means, groups WANTING real monks for specific situations.

This thread talks about why PUG's hate monks. There's something very simple to solve your bitching situation. One word.. henchmen?

You obviously never played a monk. If you have, you would know why some of them actually have to bitch to get some logic flowing through some peoples heads.

That's all I'm saying. Good day.

Cymboric Treewalker · May 31, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by [FnG] Lazz

Perhaps you are taking this all a little too seriously? I read through the other thread and the top 10 points, to me, seemed to be more out of humour. These comments seemed to be out of anger.

Oh, yes it is out of anger. I am Angry. I am also a dwarf. Add to that drunk. So I guess you could say I am an Angry Drunk Dwarf who doesn't like PUG Monks.

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Originally Posted by dansamy

And exactly how do you propose I do that? Out-heal him? I packed a bar full of 8 skills focused on keeping a group alive and killing the enemies. Oh, SNAP! Next time, I'll bring smiting and not tell you that I am not a healing monk, k?

Seriously...

You should get the aggor off of you or make it so you live through the attacks... and in reality any good Mesmer or Ranger will get the thing dead for you in a heartbeat.

To all the people who didn't get it ... this thread, and the other I hope, were humorous views of the worse of PUGing.

I have met several FANTASTIC W/Mo (two of them later joined my guild).

I have met several FANTASTIC MO/xx (three of them joined my guild).

I have met several FANTASTIC A/Mo (two of them are now in my guild).

There are good players for each class. There are people who are clueless but can learn. There are people who are hopeless.

In all most all the cases of my getting PUGs they had good people.

As for the warrior who is upset... it is not you... but the fact that lost of people played W/Mo and thought themselves invincible only to wipe a party due to consta-aggro syndrome.

C'mon people have a laugh and joke about the "stero-typical" goof in certain professions... Monks and Warriors seem to be the two biggest professions for it -- Due to farming builds and lemmings.

Jas D: I have played a Monk -- through to 20 on three different toon in Prophecies (before it was so easy to change secondaries) -- I know what GOOD monks go through... but I have had some REALLY poor monks destory groups as well.

Sol_Vie · May 31, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

You're right Cym, however 90% of the PUGs out there are piss poor. Not all PUGs are as good as the [SFK] groups.

I was in a PUG last night in Arborstone with my monk and the 3 melee classes (2 wars, 1 assn) were aggroing 2-3 groups at a time. I was the only monk 'cause the other one dropped (err7, I believe). I was having a hard time keeping up with a group spread out over the space of my minimap.

On the other hand, yeah some monks are just total whiny snobs. Case in point: Anyone who seriously participated in the Monk Protest in THK.

MelechRic · May 31, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Reminds me of the other day on my N/Mo in Abbadon's Mouth. We got a monk and he tells me to go change to Mesmer secondary so I can echo SS. I tell him it's overrated and not necessary on this map. He tells the group he has a guildie N/Me that they should take over me and that he isn't going unless I either change to Mesmer or they take the guildie. Well... we do nothing and he leaves. Thankfully we found a very cooperative and quiet set of hench monks. We also finished the mission and bonus.

That's the kind of arrogant behavior that drives me nuts. One skill and the guy won't group. Totally crazy...

Arkantos · May 31, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

When I read the title I thought it would just be a nonsence flame about the other thread. It actually makes sence, though. I'll keep this thread open as long as theres no personal flames, etc.

Anyways, PUGs hate some monks and some monks hate PUGs

Retribution · May 31, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

I play monk alot, almost as much as my ranger and I have to agree more with this thread than the other one because:

Monks overrate themselves, you can do most any tyrian mission without a monk, just have everyone bring self healing and fight smart, it's better to prevent damage than outheal it.

Alot of monks have huge ego problems, they're like I'm so important whatcha gonna do when I leave? (uh, finish the mission, I've done hells with 5 people before).

As with any class there are some monks who're just clueless on how to play them, like wtf are you using healing breeze for when you know theres shatter enchant everywhere?

I can understand how monks get pissed when theres a warrior who won't lay off the frenzy but bitching to the whole group isn't gonna make stuff better, just tell him to chill and if he won't, let him die and quit, chances are he wasn't much of an asset to your team anyway.